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Cabinetry Cost Comparisons: why so much variation?

18 Thursday Jul 2013

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Recently, I met with a potential client who had a tight budget and a long list of wants for her kitchen renovation. She’d done some basic leg-work and met with a kitchen dealer; but she really felt working with a designer would serve her better in the end. Certainly, I would have to agree!

In discussing the work that would be required, we determined that she would have to double her budget, which she understood but was not willing to do.

Contracting (including all new plumbing and electrical) would be the largest, single cost. She could shop around, but it’s a big number no matter how you slice it…and came to almost 1/2 of her stated budget.

The remainder would cover the costs of low/medium grade cabinetry, hardware, fixtures, appliance store-grade range, refrigerator, dishwasher and microwave, basic lighting, granite counter top, inexpensive ($2-$8 per foot) tile and flooring; …and she would have a GREAT “replacement” kitchen!

What she wouldn’t have is a kitchen designed by a designer…a kitchen with all the latest bells & whistles and some inspired, thoughtful storage-maximizing-solutions. There was no room in her budget to cover the additional cost without increasing her spend. Essentially, her choices were: 1- DYI, shopping for and putting all the pieces together and then hiring a contractor for demolition and construction (or if you’re VERY handy, doing it on your own), which she didn’t want to do,  or 2- working with a kitchen dealer on replacing -cabinet for cabinet- what she already had, perhaps with a few perks and innovations (which add to the cost).

And while choosing to shop for her own materials would have been fine, she needed to understand what it was she was purchasing. For example, if she’d purchased close-out tile at 75 cents a foot (a terrific price and great find), she’d need to be sure that there is enough to do the job. If she hadn’t measured correctly, she may have found she needed additional tile to complete the last 1/4 of the floor area and found herself out-of-luck, with the remainder of the tile sold-out and no longer available!

Another area that can -heavy stress on “can” – be flexible in price is cabinetry. BUT you have to know what you’re buying!! Home Depot and Ikea have some great products…but…they also have some real clunkers. If you don’t know the difference you could find yourself without parts or find that the cabinet doors warp or even fall off in short order.

Of course -insert shameless plug- a designer can help you to locate a slightly more “custom” product, one that isn’t available directly to the public; and one that provides higher quality and a more reliable over-all integrity at the same or similar price as the big-box store option. …But you do have to allow for the cost of the designer’s time or fee…

With that in mind, I offer the following article by author, writer, fellow-blogger and Certified Master Kitchen and Bath Designer, Kelly Morisseau, on how to judge the estimates you receive from different cabinetry providers.  I hope you find this helpful!

HOW TO COMPARE CABINETS WITHOUT GRITTING YOUR TEETH

December 2012

Amelia is visiting various kitchen showrooms to get pricing for her new kitchen cabinets. After 6 quotes, she’s confused. She asked for maple cabinets with a raised center panel, full-extension drawer glides, plywood construction and a standard stain. The prices she has range from $16,600.00 to $18,600.00.

What is she missing? Are some of the prices out of line? How can she tell the differences? There is sometimes a combination of factors that the average consumer wouldn’t know. Here’s the inside scoop:

• How well the manufacturer buys materials. My father gave up making cabinets in the early 1980s because as he said, “Our shop was too small. I couldn’t compete with the manufacturers who were buying millions in plywood, hardware, and wood. They get better deals on almost everything because they’re buying on volume.”

• Some slight design changes to the quote to bring the pricing down. Crown moldings, light rail and specialty trims can be expensive in some lines, and cheaper in others. When Amelia returns to the showrooms, she should double-check that all the same trim is included or, in the case of the crown molding, that it is the same height. A smaller height or simpler style can be less expensive.

• Design choices: Not all interior fittings are created equal. For example, many of the cabinet lines have two styles of lazy Susans to select from. I’ve also worked with custom lines that have as many as 6 different styles, with $ 300.00 at the low end and $ 1200.00 at the high end. Is the one you’ve included the same in every store? Amelia might check to see if the hardware on the lazy Susan has ball-bearing rollers, or a stop, or wire baskets instead of plastic. Or plastic baskets for all if she wants to keep the costs down.

• While she might have asked for plywood, she may not know that not all plywood is created equal. At the low-end is a 3/8” 5-ply. Higher ends are a thicker ¾” 5- to 7- ply. They can come in different grades with knot holes or marks showing in the less expensive quality. Knowing the thickness is a good start and she might also look inside the cabinets to see what streaks, knots and other wood characteristics are showing up.

• Are the doors solid wood? I don’t mean a single piece of wood—it would warp. I mean that the center panel of your raised panel door true wood or a composite? There are some door styles out there where the center wood has been replaced with a construction board covered with a wood plywood skin. This can make a significant difference to cost.

• What is the finish? The industry standard is a catalyzed finish, meaning the finish is bonded to the wood. This type of finish will not gum or darken where one touch the wood; instead the wood develops a slight gloss over the years. With a catalyzed finish, the wear is eliminated (and so is the waxing and other finishing). Amelia won’t have to use harsh cleansers or soaps to clean her cabinets—merely a mild soap and water.

• Finally, just as she double-checked the interior of the cabinets, Amelia should have a good, hard look at the quality of the maple exterior. Does the sample door show darker mineral streaks, pinhole knots, or discoloration? Higher quality maple doors select the clearest pieces of wood and eliminate the rest, which makes the end results more expensive.

Ultimately, when Amelia went back to the showrooms, she discovered that the lowest priced quote had selected smaller crown molding, a basic plastic lazy Susan, and a 3/8” plywood box construction. The costlier line has a 3/4” thick box, a 2-step crown molding that was double the size of the lowest quote, the top-end lazy Susan with chrome baskets, and a ¾” plywood box construction. In addition, the designer had added door panels as paneling for the back of the island.

The difference between low and high quotes was $2,000.00. When Amelia asked for another quote from the lower-priced cabinets with all the options of the higher-end quote, the difference between the two shrunk to a $130.00 difference.

At this point, Amelia has to decide. Perhaps she fell in love with the smooth drawer glides and the chrome fittings of the most expensive quote and knew she’d enjoy them even if she might not get the full return on investment. Or perhaps the doors for the higher-price quote were that much nicer. Or perhaps she decided that to go with the lowest pricing because she’s moving in a year.

Neither choice is wrong. What might have been a shame is if she had gone with the lowest quote thinking the other quotes were “ripping her off”.

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I’m ready to replace/upgrade my counters. Granite seems to be everyone’s favorite, but I’d like to explore other options. Anything you can suggest? –SS, Camarillo CA

10 Wednesday Jul 2013

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artistic tile, Bathrooms, Cayuu, Counter tops, Domoteck Interiors, gian luca, Glassos, HG Stone, Kitchens, marble and granite, natural marble, Neolith, Quartzite

Actually, there are a number of really beautiful options out there, depending on what you want to achieve. Does your kitchen get hard, daily use, or, do you mostly eat out? How much pattern do you want? Are you looking for an unusual color?

Questions like these will “frame” your choice…and what the final tab will be.

If you’re not a fan of granite, or like me, you’re just tired of hearing about it, here are a few other directions you might consider (courtesy of Gian Luca Fiori’s Marble and Granite Blog) and a few things you should know before you buy:

(photo courtesy of Artistic Tile and Stone, NYC)

MARBLE

· Overview – Marble is a popular choice.  Commercially, any stone that can be polished is also known as marble, with the exception of granite. This includes serpentine, travertine, limestone and onyx.  Often called the “green” marble, serpentine marble is not actually marble but looks very similar and is more stain and spill proof than actual marble!
· Appearance – Marble comes in a wide variety of colors and with different sizes and types of veining, often in complementary or contrasting colors.
· Beneficial Features – Natural marble is very hard, making it a versatile choice. However, you’ll need to protect marble from water, spills and stains.
·Care– Clean up any water or spills on marble as quickly as possible and consider adding a sealant. Do not use marble in high traffic areas of the home where dirt, sand or other particles may grind into the marble, which can permanently damage or mark the stone.  Never leave a chemical, citric or acidic item or substance on the marble.  Clean marble with a clean, slightly damp cloth and then dry with a soft towel.  Avoid bleach, acidic cleaners or any abrasive household cleaners as etching and dullness may occur.

QUARTZITE

· Overview – Quartzite, which is predominantly silica, is a hard non-foliated metamorphic rock which was originally sandstone. Sandstone is converted into quartzite through heating and pressure related to tectonic compression. It’s siliceous nature makes it a perfect choice for kitchen counter tops because chemically it has a very high resistance to anything acidic.
· Appearance – Pure quartzite is usually white to gray, though it also occurs in various shades of pink and red due to varying amounts of iron oxide (Fe2O3). Other colors, such as yellow and orange, are due to other mineral impurities.
· Beneficial Features – Quartzite is a decorative stone which is used for kitchen counter tops, to cover walls, as roofing tiles, for flooring, and for stair steps. Quartzite is extremely popular due to it’s marble like appearance and granite like properties which makes it an ideal choice to be used in kitchen. The hardness of quartzite makes it extremely resistant to water absorption, heat & scratches.
· Care – Use a stone sealant for an additional layer of protection. There are instances when a particular block of a quartzite can have traces of calcium carbonate which can be a cause of localized etching if that particular section comes in contact with anything acidic. That said, even in this situation it will give you more time to clean up before it starts to etch.

CAESARSTONE

· Overview – CaesarStone is primarily comprised of crushed quartz, to which high-quality polyester pigments and resins are added, making it very strong.
· Appearance – Over 40 colors are available.
· Beneficial Features – CaesarStone is stain, heat, scratch and chemical-resistant. In addition, CaesarStone is non-porous and does not require sealing.  It is crack and chip proof and has been certified for use in hospitals and restaurants by the National Sanitation Foundation.
· Care – CaesarStone is maintenance free. Just wipe with a damp cloth.

NEOLITH

· Overview – Neolith is a ceramic stone that comes in large slabs (12 ft./144″ instead of the usual 8 or 10 foot lengths).
· Appearance – Neolith is ceramic and is available in a wide variety of colors.
· Beneficial Features – Neolith is stain, water and heatproof.  You can even cut on it!  It can be cut very thin (1 centimeter) and looks great with contemporary cabinetry.
· Care – The material does not need to be sealed and is easy to clean with non-abrasive household cleaners.

GLASSOS

· Overview – Glassos is an exciting new quartz stone and the first resin-free engineered quartz surface on the market.  Being resin-free means it will not scorch or burn and does not give off toxic fumes.  The brilliant white surface is nonporous and harder than most granites.
· Appearance – Comes in two shades of white.  GLASSOS® Nano White has a mirror like polish that will never yellow or fade. Our unique process starts with the forming of ultrafine Nano quartz powder. The proprietary blend of quartz and other minerals is then heated at temperatures over 3000 degrees Fahrenheit and transformed into a molten liquid. Afterwards the liquid is molded into slabs, then polished. Quality control inspections follow the entire process to ensure slabs meet strict GLASSOS® Nano standards.
· Beneficial Features – a slab material of extreme hardness and classic beauty with no resins used in its manufacturing.  Stain proof and scratch resistant, interior applications include counter tops, vanity tops, walls panels and floor tile.  The slabs are also suitable for exterior building cladding due to their high UV resistance and zero water absorption properties.
· Care – Wipe clean with a damp cloth and mild detergent.

So how can you find these paragons of virtue?

Domoteck Interiors will order (they do not stock) and fabricate any of these products…and so much more!  Domoteck Interiors INC, 24-30 B.Q.E West, Woodside, New York, 11377, http://www.domoteckinteriors.com

HG Stone has a wide selection of materials in stock at all times (they have their own quarries), but works with a firm called Cayuu for fabrication.  HG Stone, 65 Davids Drive, Hauppauge, NY 11788, http://www.hgstones.com;  Cayuu, 280 Johnson Avenue, Brooklyn, NY 11206, http://www.caayu.com

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Relax, it’s the 4th of July!!

03 Wednesday Jul 2013

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Hope everyone is ready to unplug, relax and celebrate! It’s the 4th of July!!!!…in case your electronic devices forgot to remind you!

Also, as a reminder, it’s a great time…and great time of year…for simple recipes that can be “made ahead” and that keep for several days so that you have more time in the parks or at the beach.

Here’s my recipe for potato salad. It’s great served hot, cold or anywhere in between…AND…it gets better with age. Overnight – two days in the fridge before eating, and you have perfection…but don’t let that stop you. It’s great fresh from the stove top too!!

Kent’s “German” Potato Salad

Ingredients

3-4 lbs. red-skin potatoes
1 large bottle of Wishbone “Robusto” Italian Salad Dressing (or equivalent)
1 small red onion
1 bunch cilantro (washed thoroughly)
1 bunch of dill (washed thoroughly)
3 T dry dill
Salt & Pepper to taste

Boil potatoes (skin on) in a large pot with some coarse salt and about 1T of the dry dill. Undercook them just a little, but the fork should come out clean. While the potatoes boil, wash the fresh dill and cilantro, and cut the onion into thin slices (or chop into chunks).

Take the potatoes out of the water and place in a bowl to cool. Leave the skin on. When the steam stops rising from them, cut each potato into ½” slices. It’s ok if some of them crumble. Put all the slices (and the crumbled bits) into a large mixing bowl and pour the entire bottle of salad dressing over them. Mix well. Add onion and the rest of the dry dill. Mix. Add a dash or two of black pepper. Potatoes should be salty enough from the water and the dressing, but if not, add a bit more now.

Chop the fresh dill and cilantro. Add to the mixture and combine to complete.

This recipe is good hot, cold or anywhere in between, although it’s best when left to “sit” in the refrigerator for a day or two to “cure.”

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